Also, the argument of why there is evil still stands. Plantinga’s ‘Free will defense’ does not stand for the Christian God. All you can do is try to say your God is morally justified in his atrocities, which makes all of you look sick. It’s hilarious to see the apologists you just name say God had morally just reasons to command genocide and rape in his name.

Meant to say their arguments are 2000 years old. Mose were refuted by Kant and Hume. None of their arguments validate anything anywhere close to proof whatsoever. At this point they are just lucky it hasn’t been completely dismissed.

If you aren’t trolling me then you should look at my page, I have a debate uploaded and a lot favorited.

(cont’d) Wouldn’t rationality demand a thorough investigation of the evidence before such flippant dismissals?

Your ‘reasons’ for believing a man rose from the dead and walked on water are the scribblings of 4 anonymous authors and a man who wasn’t aware Jesus was someone on planet earth. Not only that, they were all looking at each others gospels while they wrote their own.

Adrena,

If you follow my conversation with Hidden, you’ll realize my main point was simply this: atheism is NOT defended primarily through REASON. It is defended primarily through ASSERTIONS.

Your diatribe does nothing but affirm my point.

Reason is the atheist buzzword, but you seem to define it primarily as “agreeing with me.” I, on the other hand, think reason has to do with evidence and logic…good epistemology being nothing less than essential.

Christianity has no relevance outside of Jewish culture. It is called symbolism. Jesus represents what gave Jewish people hope during their persecution and his suffering merely reflects their own. If you had a shred of decency you wouldn’t be telling kids to waste time in college studying epistemology, all it takes is a little bit of research and using your brain for a few seconds to realize the story is myth.

You can’t prove to me leprechauns don’t exist but I bet you aren’t looking for any pots of gold.
Your religion is based on myths from barbaric Bronze Age desert dwellers who stole most of their ideas blatantly from other cultures and who think blood is actually a sacrifice an omnibenevolent creator would want. Your God says I love you all but only if you kill things for me. Get over it, it’s just a myth.

GJ 1214b was recently discovered, It’s watery…jesus walked on water: why not it Jesus? Tomorrow IS his birthday…

The Christian corpse-god promises his followers forgiveness for all of their wrongdoing. If I believed in that death-cult I’d have a ‘Get Out Of Jail Free’ card so that I’d never have to take responsibility for any of my actions too. I might murder, steal, rape & maim, safe in the knowledge that whatever horrendous actions I performed I’d never be held accountable.
A despicable excuse: ‘I did truly terrible things, but my invisible zombie friend has excused me of accountability for them.’

And yet, as another person has pointed out, you cannot ask for us to prove a negative. The default standpoint is one of disbelief: you don’t believe something before you’ve heard of it, nor should you believe it before evidence is presented.

So you asking for us to disprove your God is incorrect, it’s up to you to show evidence.

And again, I assert there is no God in the same way I assert there are no unicorns: I’ve seen no evidence for their existence.

This so brilliant!!!!!

Hidden,

When you get to college, the first thing you should do is enroll yourself in a course in epistemology and logic. If you do not see why you refute yourself, then it is way beyond merit for me to explain. And yes, there is lots of good evidence for God’s existence.

If you’d like some book recommendations, I’m happy to offer. But pursuing further conversation with you is clearly a waste of time.